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commercial transit district. this is a revised proposal from the originally noticed project was rigid -- which was to establish another bar selling beer and wine. the site is a vacant one-story with a mezzanine. it contains 2600 square feet and has been vacant for two years. it was previously a senior center. it would be an independently owned and operated issa abbas met with hours of operation from 2:00 p.m.-2:00 a.m. seven days per week. and other entertainment news and hours of operation from 6:00- 2:00 a.m. are permitted. that also does not have all street parking requirements for commercial uses. during the notification. for the original proposal, two d.r. requests were filed against the project. the first believes that the proposal is incompatible with
the surrounding neighborhood due to its proximity to residences, a day care center, and a church. additionally, the first request your has concerns that the project would bring a negative noise impact and would reduce the availability of parking along fairfield way. as a result of being able to operate until 2:00 a.m. this is going back a bit. the corner property located at the corner of fairfield way and ocean avenue. the second request is the whole association, a neighborhood organization comprised of residents who live within the ingles' side terrace neighborhood, south of the project site and ocean avenue. this group believe the project would not be beneficial to the surrounding residences and
businesses. they also have concerns with the project possibly bringing unacceptable noise. loitering and security problems. by being able to operate up to 2:00 a.m. and would impact the availability of on street parking within their neighborhood. in response to the concern raised by the requests, the product sponsor has revised his project by eliminating the proposed bar which was done after the d.r. was filed. also, the project sponsor has volunteered to provide on-site security and install security cameras inside and outside of the project site. the department runs -- recommends that the commission
does not take discretionary review and approve the product. the required -- the product meets all aspects of the planning code and would contribute to the diversity in the area by establishing a new commercial use. it will eliminate a vacant storefront, which has been vacant for two years within the ocean avenue area, which currently has 11 vacancies. the project will provide new job opportunities and it is located within an area that is well- served by transit and does not require parking. this included -- this concludes my presentation and i am available for questions. president fong: the first d.r. requester, you have five minutes. >> good afternoon. i live at 26 fairfield way, four
houses north of the proposed a billiard hall. i have lived there for 14 years and would classify it as a quiet, residential neighborhood. this is my first appearance before the planning commission for any matter whatsoever. i have been active in some of the planning meetings that have taken place regarding some of the available redevelopment areas and other activities going on in ocean avenue. although i am listed as the requester on one of the discretionary review is, i want to stress this is a neighborhood effort. numerous neighbors contributed time, funding, and ideas to discussing this particular location and many of them met with the proposed owners at the site prior to or just around the time we submitted our discretionary review.
the meeting i would term as friendly and respectful. some of the ideas we brought forth have been incorporated into changes that were brought forward here. we really appreciate that and respect that. the feeling was it was not the right fit for our fairfield way or ocean avenue corridor. the reasons being, the hours of operation, 2:00 p.m.-2:00 a.m. is really out of character with what is currently in the ocean avenue area. there is a 7-eleven that is open 24-7. other than that, the streets shut down at 9:00 or 10:00 and traffic is at a minimum at that point in time. a rally behind the proposed location is a well-is dollars and longtime day care center -- is a well-established and a long
time day care center. that would be disrupted. the increased noise and traffic in the late hours will affect the overall well-being of the neighborhood and we do not feel like this particular site is in character with what is there today. we also do not know that this site will bring a positive impact to other businesses in the area. i am sorry, i lost my train of thought. in my 14 years on fairfield way, i have seen the neighborhood changed quite a bit and a lot more children are in the neighborhood today than they were when i first moved in. i myself have a 5-year-old and there are several other families on the street with children. we do not know that this is the right environment and the right thing would like to see brought into our neighborhood. increased traffic and parking --
fairfield way is a two-way street, but you cannot take a left turn onto or off of fairfield onto ocean avenue. a lot of people decide to do that anyway. we get a lot of traffic from the neighboring businesses. hobby shop, cannabis club, the gym is not too far away. this will increase traffic and we do not want that to happen. although some of my neighbors and myself may go to this if it is approved, we do not think it is something that is right for our neighborhoods. in closing, i want to say that having sat here since 3:00 this afternoon, i really do appreciate what you guys do. this is real business and it affects real people both on my side, as the person filing the discretionary review, and the people who are trying to start a business. we want to see ocean avenue be
revitalized. i would love to see these guys be successful. we do not know that this is the right place and the right time. thank you. president fong: the second d.r. requester? >> my name is all conroy and i am speaking on behalf of the terrace homes association. i am a member of the board of directors of that organization. i want to let you know that ingleside terraces has been very supportive of ocean avenue business writ we have advocated for improvements, including underground wires, street lights, street -- street skating. we supported the community benefits district and we welcomed and supported new businesses that serve the community. we're looking forward to new businesses that serve the
community and that are compatible with the neighborhood. it is also important that the business be compatible. this is a neighborhood of single-family homes. an empty storefront is not a reason for permitting a use that negatively impacts the surrounding neighborhood. this is a quiet neighborhood. residents need to get up in the morning to go to work or go to school. this particular block of ocean avenue is quiet. the businesses are closed by 10:00 p.m. most of them are close by 8:00 p.m. the 1948 address is across the street from our house. there are several other houses in the immediate avenue -- area on victoria. in 2007, based on the quiet
nature of this block and the surrounding neighborhood, we ask you to restrict hours at 1959 ocean avenue across the street. and you did that. in consideration of our d.r. request that we filed. the business was asking to extend hours from 8:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. you maintain the 8:00 p.m. closing hours. for the same reason, we ask that you deny this permit application given the fact of this business will be open until 2:00 in the morning. with noise, people milling about outside, music, it is inconsistent with the neighborhood and it will have a negative impact on the neighborhood. there is no of street parking, so cars are likely to be parked inside the neighborhood, inside the area where fairfield is, and
people in the early morning hours are 1 to be going to and from cars, disrupting the neighborhood, interfering with the quiet neighborhood and people's ability to sleep. we are asking, given the fact that the general plan and zoning code requires that uses in every commercial areas the consistent with, sir, and not negatively impact the surrounding neighborhood, to deny this permit application. thank you. president fong: speakers in favor of the d.r.? >> are you speaking in favor? >> yes. i have been living in balboa terrace for the past 42 years in. i am a past president of the balboa terrorist homes
association. my comments today are my own and do not reflect those of my neighbors. i speak to approve the formation of a billiard hall at this section. >> you are speaking at the wrong time. you are speaking in support of the project, not the discretionary review. it is not your time yet. you will have an opportunity. >> i will come back. thank you. president fong: ahead, sir. >> i have lived in the north part of the terrorist, adjacent to the business. i have lived there for over 30 years. i would like to submit a petition that i took to houses around our block just yesterday afternoon. i was stating that we oppose the proposed pool hall and ocean
avenue and its operating hours until 2:00 a.m. for seven days a week. i want to give these to the clerk. i was wondering how to approach this. it occurred to me this would be a good way to do it. i obtained 22 signatures just walking around yesterday afternoon. more than half of the people who signed this petition are concerned that the pool hall is not a desirable addition to our neighborhood. everyone who signed the petition is concerned about the late hours, overflow parking in our neighborhood, and the accompanying noise and pedestrian traffic that will have an adverse affect on our neighborhood. three people i spoke to declined to sign the petition. in this sample on our block of 25 residents, almost all of them are opposed to the pool hall. we have a 100-year-old
neighborhood and have many residents who lived 30 years or more, all their lives. we have many newer residents. we have many houses on our block that have had extensive restorations and remodeling. new families in the past few years. i hope that the opinions of our neighbors will be more important to the planning commission that the requests of outside business people. president fong: any other speakers in favor? >> i'm not sure about protocol here, but i am the assistant superintendent of the church and the school that is right across the street from 1948, formally 1950. that is the address of the school location.
it is 25 feet, simply across the street from the billiard hall proposal. i am speaking for parents and staff members of the school and members of the church. we are very concerned and do not think it is a good idea to have a billiard hall or pull all that coast -- that close to our school. our school has students from pre-kindergarten through high school. the amount of exposure both visually, hearing, everything else, to the corner of 1948 ocean is like being right next door. our school hours are from 8:00 in-3:00 p.m. the proposed opening of the billiard hall was 2:00 p.m. that would always suggest a congestion of vehicular traffic and pedestrian traffic since parents in the gut their students -- pick up their
students during that time. in general, as a true -- as a school and church community, we have been at that location for 30 years. the school has been in operation for 30 years. i have been teaching there for 30 years. i have daily experience on the location with respect to disturbing -- it is not a good idea at all to have a pool hall at the location. thank you. >> good evening orrin hatch i live at 195 west gate drive. i am just what -- i am just west of where the pool hall would be. we are in neighborhood of about 750 homes, about 500 single- family dwellings, and 300 duplex
or condominiums that are down on the ocean avenue area. i am known for running an e-mail crime thing for you. if you have a break in or something, you let me know and i zuma out to everyone in the neighborhood. i have about 400 in my e-mail list. when i came across this bill your situation, which not everyone was aware of in our area, i am for blocks west and two blocks north of this location. i will not be affected technically by the noise well, even though it closes at 2:00 a.m. people loiter till 3:00 a.m. is not something that will close and everyone will leave. i send our requests to accept or reject to the people i e-mail out to. i have that here, if you would like to take it all.
it reiterates pretty much what you have heard from the other associated neighborhood people. concern about late-night activity, additional crime, bringing people into the neighborhood, not being conducive to the revitalization of ocean avenue. we are at the west end. this will be at the west end and it begins in a much more residential field being centered on ocean avenue, which is more commercial. i am told there is not even a bar on ocean avenue, to my knowledge. in the e-mails i sent out, starting from mid-december and just finishing up, i received 70 back. of those 70, five were accepting that they were ok of -- with the pool hall. the other 65 work your projections based on what i just told you.
out of that, not one truly believes the cool all will make it unless it has a liquor license. billiards and coca-cola and do not go together. billiards and appeared to. -- and beer do. it was not here say. i called the required to get more information directly from the source of what he was planning to do. and i signed that back out. what you see there all came back into me. like as said, about 65 -- president fong: thank you. additional speakers in favor? >> i live in the 700 block of victoria street. i read the planning commission's full analysis of the billions
project and our like to comment on a few points that remained in that analysis. the adequacy of parking on ocean avenue -- the eastern end of urbano and ingleside terraces are impacted all day buy cars from patrons of 24-hour fitness, the school and church when they have the events, and other ocean avenue businesses. for some reason, the patrons of these businesses tend not to use the metered parking on ocean avenue but rather to part on urbana in that area. the second point is that the planning commission notes that it is a public transit corridor. since the business will be open until 2:00 a.m., i know that the ball but -- the elbow what dart service bands around midnight. the muni service as around
12:30. there is an owl that does run once per hour and follows a secure route around the city. it would be hard to get anywhere. i am assuming most of the people who come to the billiard hall will be driving. the billiard hall applicants decided not to serve all all -- alcohol, which pleased us. i do not know whether or not that will succeed. the previous speaker made a point that there is a bar on ocean avenue. in addition, there is a 7-eleven that is one block away. in the same building as the proposed haull, there is a cannabis club and the previous occupants, the senior club, when i spoke with them, mentioned
that sometimes they could smell the pot through the common wall. across the street, there is a hookah store. i do not know what the impact of all of these would be. it is not open until -- if it was open till 2:00 a.m. there are two massage- acupuncture parlors that are directly across the street. there were open after 8:00 p.m. when we walked by on monday night. in addition, there is a proposal for a foot massage at 1936, on the same side of ocean avenue as the proposed rule all. i am not totally opposed to the billiard hall, but i'm wondering what the impact will be. bringing outsiders into our neighborhood. thank you.
>> good evening. i have been a neighbor at urbano for over 40 years. i am a retired biology teacher. we're talking about parking. i invite you to come to the east end of urbano drive. from early in the morning until late at night, 8:00, the fitness center members part right in front of my house. i have absolutely -- i am absolutely very seldom able to park in front of my own home on the street. i have two cars i park in the driveway. that is not a big problem, but it is a problem for my neighbors to have children. there are elderly people and people with children who like to bring home groceries, they like to park close to their homes. i am speaking on behalf of not
only myself but of my neighbors to have children and some who are elderly. the 2:00 a.m. closing our also concerns me. i really believe that is going to add to our parking problems. that is my concern. thank you very much. >> hello. i live at 34 freeway. -- 34 fairfield way. i'm a volunteer on the ocean avenue committee. we have done some cleanup. i want to talk about a few things as far as the basis of recommendation for the report. the project would not enhance diversity by establishing a new billiard hall. it is true there is not a billiard hall, but there is a pool table at randy's place at
1101 ocean avenue. finally, it is a neighbor reduce that is well served by public transit. the previously talked about that. muni goes late at night. i think that cars would be used to get to this location. that would adversely affect people in the davidson neighborhood. i want to stress that fact as well. thank you very much. >> i am a resident of ocean avenue on the saxon, half a block south of ocean avenue. my name is michelle. as a resident, i have a dog and
i walk my dog quite a bit right in front of where the billiard hall will be located. my concern is around the noise that this would bring to the neighborhood, the potential for luring late at night. currently, it is a pretty safe area. my concern is people will be parking all along the street, especially on saxon and some of the streets behind the billiard hall area. my concern is around safety as well. i am somebody who enjoys walking late at night, not very late, but 10:00 or 11:00 sometimes, with my dog. i do have a concern for safety in that area. and noise -- is a very quiet neighborhood right now. there is some street traffic noise. businesses do tend to close around 10:00 p.m. i have seen a lot of positive changes in the one year i've been in the neighborhood. that has been very exciting to me. there is a cvs coming up on the
corner, a nice little coffee shop as well. i would like to see more diversity in terms of businesses. i think there is a thai restaurant that is coming as well. i know there is a billiard hall not too far from this location that is very popular in the city admission and geneva. that would also be a place that people could go to enjoy billiards. thank you. >> good evening. my name is kathleen woods. i have been a resident at 44 fairfield way for two years. my husband has been there for 10 years. i want to stress that we have been talking about our concerns. i want to add to the two points that are of most concern for us. while we appreciate that want to bring new business and help to
revitalize our neighborhood, in the efforts to negotiate, that brought up a couple of points i took issue with. they suggested that they would have security cameras on site and security guards on site and date related that to even more security provided by the 24-hour fitness down the street. the issue i take with that is that, it is great they have security, but that does not extend to the neighbors who are a few houses away. we have felt what has happening at 1:00 or 2:00 at the morning, as you ever heard. we have had some incidents with medical -- the medical marijuana dispensary that is next door. on thursday afternoons, i work from home. when i take my dog out for a walk, i see people parked in front of ocean, in front of our home on fairfield, smoking pot. there is a concern that this will be an aggravated problem if we bring in the club on the corner. in addition, in a recent letter,
the proposed owners mention their intention was to make this a family-oriented location. i question how that can be. if there sang open until 2:00 a.m., i do not know any family who will let their child sale until 2:00 a.m. that closing time is not realistic. there will be people loitering, making noise as they make their way to their cars. we feel that this proposal is unacceptable and is not right for our never agree we hope you'll take our concerns to heart. president fong: any other speakers in favor? the project's sponsor has five minutes. you are going to be right after them. >> good evening. i am the attorney for the operators and owners of legends billiards. i have a little cold today.